[Avodah] Rabi Yehuda Hanasi - Yom Hakippur wipes away all sins even without teshuva

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, May 14, 2025 at 07:44:20AM +0300, Marty Bluke via Avodah wrote:
> What is the rationale behind this? A person does all kinds of serious
> aveiros doesn't feel bad about it and doesn't repent and yet comes Yom
> Kippur all is forgiven. Why? How does that make any sense?

Simple proof Rebbe didn't mean this at face value: After noon, or
after the se'ir hamishtaleiach (which is the mishnah -- also Rebbe,
or perhaps R Meir), they still said vidui, they still held ne'ilah.

And as Tosafos Yeshanim note, sometimes the wool didn't turn white.
Which means there are conditions for which the day itself isn't
machaper. Teshuvah is still requires.

The Rambam (Hil' Teshuvah 1:3) writes similarly, "atzmo shel Yom
haKippurim mechapeir leshavim". Not instead of teshuvah. In H' 4 he
elaborates by quoting Yuma 86a:

Tehuvah is sufficient for Hashem to be Mocheil an asei immediately.

A regular lav is suspended (tolah) after teshuvah, but mechilah isn't
until YK.

An issur kareis or misas BD -- teshuvah and YK are tolin, but full
kaparah requires yisurin.

Chilul hasheim requires misah for full kaparah.

-- ad kan the gemara and the Rambam --

87a also excludes the person who sins by planning on itzumo shel
yom fixing everying.

Now the question is defining mechilah, selichah, kapparah.. What
does it mean to be toleh -- one or more but not all of these are
obtained?

Last, I recommend the Matmonim podcast by R David Lapin, a shiur on
hashkafah based on the daf (more often rishonim related to the daf) given
in Raanana. The podcast for Shavuos 13 <https://youtu.be/AJf2RjaIFts>
deals with your question.





Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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