[Avodah] gaal yisrael

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, May 21, 2025 at 06:04:07AM +0300, Joel Rich via Avodah wrote:
> The piskei tshuvot (O"C 66) is pretty clear that the practice of the chazan
> saying gaal yisrael quietly is baseless and should not be followed. Any
> empirical data from your experience on the frequence of this practice, its
> source and/or reasons for its popularity?

The AhS (OC 66:14) comes out against saying "amein". Here is my take
on his discussion:

The Tur holds one says "amein" even to one's own Birkhas Ge'ulah when
davening alone. Like Sepharadim do whenever there is the end of a chain
of berakhos hasemuchos lechavertoseihen. And, the AhS adds, Ashkenazim
only do after the deOraisa berakhos of Bentshin.

RYME had just discussed the Roqeiach's pesaq that we answer Qedushah between
Ge'ulah and Tefillah, but dismisses it as a daas yachid. Now he says and
qal vachomer notsaying "amein"

And the SA se'if 7 and the Zohar would have you not saying "amein".

But the Rama says that some do say "amein". Which leaves RYME suggesting
that they say that "amein" is both more pressing and less of a hefseiq
than Qedushah because it's the same berakhah.

He concludes that "our minhag" is not to say "amein". The parentheses
cites Elyah Rabba s"q 10 who cites the Re'eim, and the AhS cites the
Shelah. Last, the Mechber's Maggid told him not to say "amein". End of
the end-note.



Jumping back a bit to another but similar case:

The AhS (OC 59:14) says one should answer "amein" for "Oheiv Amo Yisrael".
He notes the BY says not to, but that's because the Mechaber holds these
are berakhos on the Mitzvah of Q"Sh. But we hold like the Rashba. And
he says the Rama is saying as much when he refers you to what he wrote
in s' 61. And "vekhein haminhag".



Not in the yeshivos, though. Which I think is the answer to RJR's too --
the commonality of this practice is probably around communities where the
RY became the gedolei haposqim and therefore Lomdus started playing more
of a role in pesaq. (And which pesaq was accepted more both in acharonim
and practice - less.)

(Tangent to my tangent: I wonder if R Ovadiah's pesaq and siddur that
has women not saying Sheim uMalkhus in Birkhos Qeri'as Shema depends on
this BY. It would seem that according to the Rashba, even women don't
make berakhos on MAshZG (ie Sepharadios) would still say the regular
berakhah here.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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