[Avodah] Further to Giving The Look to R Elazar and Chanufah

[Rabbi Meir G. Rabi]

Kesuvos 25b the entire piece of Gemara pasted below -

this is the part that requires attention
Reish Lakish turned and looked at Rabbi Elazar harshly, and said to him:
You heard a statement of bar Naphacḥa [the blacksmith's son - an epithet
for Rabbi Yoḥanan] and you did not say it to us in his name?

Lets say it was well known that RElazar was a close Talmid of R Yochanan
and RLakish ought to have known that it was said in the name of RYochanan
In that case why is he looking daggers at RE??
Besides what diff does it make? RLakish was often in disagreement with R
Yochanan?

He raised an objection; RLakish considered it and dismissed it.
Is one supposed to stop thinking when one's teacher raises an objection and
just accept it?

Had RL Paskened as per the objection, following his Master's guidelines,
would that have been acceptable?
He was asked for HIS ruling not his Master's ruling.
Is that not a violation of Chanufah?

WADR to R Micha, it is difficult to see how his response addresses any of
these issues.

If I present a Diyuk in Rashi or RaMBaM to a Rosh Yeshivah a TCh, and his
response is to reject it without explaining why, am I supposed to bow my
head and abandon the Diyuk?
If one sees that the Acharonim say a diff Peshat in the Diyuk which seems
to make little sense or they dismiss or ignore the Diyuk altogether - what
is one supposed to do? Bow one's head and abandon this Diyuk? Is that the
Mitzvah of TT?



On a later occasion Rabbi Elazar and Reish Lakish sat before Rabbi Yoḥanan
and as before, testimony was presented to validate someone as a Cohen based
on the fact that he'd been called as the first Oleh to the Torah reading.
Reish Lakish said to the person who testified: Did you see that he received
a share of Teruma at the threshing floor? But Rabbi Yoḥanan objected: And
if there is no threshing floor there, does the priesthood cease to exist?
Now this was the same response Rabbi Elazar had earlier said to Reish
Lakish. Now RL understood that Rabbi Elazar was in fact repeating the
objection he'd heard from Rabbi Yochanan without disclosing it was Rabbi
Y's objection.

Reish Lakish turned and looked at Rabbi Elazar harshly, and said to him:
You heard a statement of bar Naphacḥa [the blacksmith's son - an epithet
for Rabbi Yoḥanan] and you did not say it to us in his name?

What is the problem?
He raised an objection; RLakish considered it and dismissed it.
Is one supposed to stop thinking when one's teacher raises and objection
and just accept it?

Had RL Paskened as per the objection, following his Master's guidelines,
would that have been acceptable?
He was asked for HIS ruling not his Master's ruling.
Is that not a violation of Chanufah?


Best,

Meir G. Rabi

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+61 423 207 837
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