[Avodah] Techum Shabbat

[Arie Folger]

And yet, the situating you highlight demonstrates a certain tension. That
observation doesn't change the din, but it does prompt is to ask either the
parameters we observe are indeed correct. That is what I meant with sanity
check. And it turns out that for many Poskim, indeed we had misunderstood
the sin by forgetting the limiting factor of the din of 'ir shehi kekheshet.

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Arie Folger

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On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 17:38 Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 04, 2021 at 10:49:55AM +0200, Arie Folger wrote:
> > RMB wrote in a different thread:
> > Truth is, if you look at hilkhos techum
> >> shabbos with all the clauses I added in the previous paragraph, I may be
> >> living in a "city" that includes the a rectangle that goes beyond
> Boston in
> >> the NE and Washington DC in the SW! Techum under these changed
> >> circumstances...
>
> > Actually,  wether a ribua' of te'hum is ever made that large is a matter
> of
> > controversy. Arguably,  once it gets fairly large, the rule of a city
> like
> > a keshet kicks in and we no longer have a major ribua', but rather a
> > polygon made up of many large squares.
>
> > There are views on both sides,  but the sanity check inherent in your
> > posted comment makes the more restrictive view more reasonable.
>
> My point of raising the topic of techum, and of the example before it,
> Tefillas haDerech, was to suggest just the opposite!
>
> How can a modern situation serve as a "sanity check" of a din made before
> that situation was remotely possible, never mind commonplace?
>
> I wrote:
> >> Why would that be a problem? If the situation doesn't arise, then the
> >> chiyuv is not chal.
>
> >> I am reminded of the AhS saying that there were few reshuyos harabbim
> >> deOraisa anymore...
>
> >> What I do see similar is the discusion on the thread about Tefillas
> >> haDerekh from Lakewood to Monsey. Maybe today's urban sprawl means there
> >> are far fewer opportunities to say tefillas haderekh.
>
> I was suggesting that today's reality can have norms Chazal didn't write
> their din for. And therefore the fact that a mitzvah now has little
> applicability may NOT mean we're misunderstanding the limits Chazal set
> to it.
>
> When Chazal made the reduced measure for techum, there was nothing
> similar to today's metropolis, never mind a chain of them in one big
> Megalopolis like Boston-Washington.
>
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
>
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