[Avodah] ad hayom hazeh

Brent Kaufman cbkaufman at gmail.com
Fri Nov 27 13:14:05 PST 2020


>>Both.  The original desired end state was to go immediately, and that
would have been good.  But the end state that we will eventually achieve
after thousands of years of work will be better.

But that is saying that HKBH's original way was less, or, not the best way;
rather, Adam's way was better. That is obviously problematic.
The same, and even parallel, is the Sheviras HaKeilim (and it isn't my
intent to take the discussion anywhere that the moderators would rather
not) in which there is, embedded in creation, a need for a fall and
eventual higher aliyah.
Whatever was the original desired goal was, Adam achieved exactly what he
hoped to achieve. It just would take longer than he expected; 6,000 years
of billions of people and human history, as opposed to Adam doing the
necessary teshuva and tikunim by himself, in a shorter time. Either way, it
had to come through a sin, or it wouldn't have worked.

>>Obviously "echta
ve'ashuv" is not a derech.  But bediavad it turns out that by sinning
and repenting one ends up in a better place than one would have achieved
without the sin.

But this rise to a "better" way could only have happened through sin.
*In effect*, HKBH said 'Yasher kochacha' to the sin.

>>> Yes, but theoretically if each individual made decisions that in total
> did not get to the desired end state, doesn't this imply that HKBH would
> have to limit someone's bechira to reach the end state?

We do not have free bechira at all times. I don't remember the source but I
was taught that only in those things which are regarding yiras Shamayim, we
have bechira, but not necessarily in other things; i.e. moral choices,
mitzva dependent decisions...

But even in those things which are mitzva/yiras Shamayim issues, we don't
always have free choice. People are born into non-observant families have
no choice, at least for certain periods of their lives, to keep or not keep
Shabbos, kashrus and other mitzvos. Those neshamos were put in those
situations for whatever reason HKBH had.  Even things in which we think we
are deciding, it could be that we aren't deciding, but HKBH just needed it
to be that way.

Chaimbaruch Kaufman


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