[Avodah] Avi Fishoff: Yeshiva Systems Needs Major Overhaul

[Micha Berger]

On Mon, Jun 03, 2019 at 04:49:27PM +0000, Lawrence Levine via Avodah wrote:
: From https://is.gd/znrz8P
:> Having successfully created that infrastructure, Fishoff said that
:> the time has come to prioritize maximizing the potential of each child
:> instead of encouraging every student to become a long term learner,
:> a goal that leaves many feeling like failures.

This is akin to discussion we had in the early days of this list --
did REED et al mean "1000 go in so that 1 gadol comes out" as a hora'as
sha'ah? At the time this model was promoted, we did need to rebuild
the infrastucture.

And yes, dyslexic and AD[H]D labeled children might well make up the
majority of the OTD boys' population. If not, it's a very disproportionate
minority.

But I think there is something else going on that may be more primary
than the urge to produce gedolim. R Ari Fishoff talks about "child",
but focusing on the goals of producing a "long term learner" means he's
talking about boys' education.

On the girls' side too, though, we had a system that used to teach
a Yahadus of "Chessed and the other 612". (Exagerating for slogan
purposes. Chessed is an umbrella that includes a number of the 613,
not just 1.) But now there is progressively more focus on tzeni'us.

What the two have in common is a turning inward. A transplant of Torah
through the "Me Generation" period.

Insert my usual rant about frumkeit having replaced ehrlachkeit here.

One of my OTD sons picked up my sefer long enough to form an opinion
of its thesis. He is pretty sure that had Yahadus actually maintained
the Bein Adam laChaveiro focus R Shimon Shkop (or R' Chaim Volozhiner or
R Chaim Brisker, or...) had taken for granted, he doesn't know if he
wouldn't have opted out.

In short, the O he doesn't believe in, I don't believe in either. And
it's quite likely my boys picked that much of the message up from me.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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