[Avodah] Toivelling a flower vase more used for food

Rabbi Meir G. Rabi meirabi at gmail.com
Mon Oct 29 18:40:39 PDT 2018


Is the classification of Kelie SeUdah determined by the manufacturer or the
user?

The Gemara (AZ 75b) rejects the proposition that scissors acquired from a G
require Tevillah, only Kelei SeUdah require Tevillah.
The reason we may have thought scissors do require Tevillah - since once
Kashered, all food taste is gone, it's like a new device. In fact that's
how the Gemara knows that new utensils do require Tevilla.

Now, if new devices require Tevillah then it's got nothing to do with the
food of the G. In that case scissors should also require.
The Gemara rejects that because only Kelei SeUdah require Tevillah. Meaning
it's got something to do with food, at least in the potential.

The Ritva however, is troubled by the fact that it's not yet been used for
food of a G.
He explains that nevertheless, since they will be used eventually for food
they have some connection to food, therefore even new utensils of a G
require Tevillah, and he adds, because they're going to a sacred (kosher or
Jewish?) use.

But why was he troubled by the fact that it's not yet been used for food?
Could this mean that if the G never intend to use it for food, but as a
flower vase for example, but the Y chooses to use it for food, that it does
not require Tevillah?
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