[Avodah] Nusach Ashkenaz in the Center of Chasidic Davening: The Interesting Cases of Belz, Sanz, and Berdichev

Zalman Alpert zalmanalpert770 at mail.gmail.com
Thu Sep 20 15:08:07 PDT 2018


[Edited RYL's post to be more readable in digest format. I therefore
left the quote in, in full. -micha]

> *Conclusion*

> The adoption by the Chasidism of a new nusach hatefillah, in place of the
> traditional Nusach Ashkenaz, was apparently a later development in the
> movement, said to be from the time of the Maggid of Mezrich, rather than
> from R. Israel Baal Shem Tov, who is called its founder.

> There is much difference of opinion and variation among Chasidim as
> to what the exact text of this nusach should be. Among many Chasidim,
> including very large and significant Chasidic groups, to this very day,
> important segments and elements of Nusach Ashkenaz surprisingly still persist,
> even at the heart of their tefillos.


> For more please see <http://bit.ly/2QHFjZc>
> https://treasuresofashkenaz.wordpress.com/....

Let me add that I was told that a siddur that the BESHT used is in the
Chabad library in Crown Heights and it is Nusach Ashkenaz.

All you write is true but Sefard was the nusach with Lurianic kavanoth
Even kabbalistic people and groups like Reb Noson Adler of FFMand the
Broder kluiz used the sefatd nusach

While the Besht was alive chasidim were not organizationally a movement the
concept of tishen,Rebbe,yerusha zaddik were all not really fully developed
The Magid gave the movement some org uniformity and he AUTHORIZED RABBI
SCHNEUR ZALMAN TO EDIT A NEW PRAYER BOOK according to Sefard Lurianic
nusach and this was before RSZstarted Chabad,so Im not certain what your
driving at Sandz and other groups started in the mid 19th cen as as counter
reformation

Look at the sidurim of old groups like Stolin,Slonim Koidenov  and you see
sefarad and many Galician Hu(ngarian rebbes like Munkatcher davened Ari
sefarad

In recent yrs even greater changes have been made to siddur ck out Lelever
and Bialer siddurim

Chechenov was to my knowledge the only group that davened Ashkenaz,

The time of the Magid is not a later period of chassidus



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