[Avodah] Farfetched Ukimtas

[Marty Bluke]

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:00 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:

>
> But I didn't argue that those other oqimtos weren't farfetched.
>
> I suggest exploring if the distinction is between
>     a din that could only apply in the farfetched case
> and
>     dinim that could impact halakhah, but for clarity are illustrated
>     in a case that is farfetched, but eliminates oextraneous dinim from
>     the distcussion.
>

> This is based on R' Eli Turkel's post of R' Michel Avraham's thought
> in last year's discussion of oqimtos. See
> <http://www.aishdas.org/avodah/vol35/v35n027.shtml#02>. (He offered to
> send anyone interested a PDF of the article.) RMA argues that the oqimta
> serves to accompilsh the latter. So, it seemed to me they were upset in
> this case because it wasn't about elimminating other factors.
>

The case in Zevachim under discussion would seem to be the latter
(eliminating extraneous dinim) . The Mishna is stating a principle that
blood that falls on the floor can be collected and still be kosher. The
ukimta simply eliminates other extraneous dinim such as holacha without
walking from the equation. It would seem to be a perfect example to apply
R' Michel Avraham's thesis and yet the Gemara rejects the ukimta as being
unreasonable
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