[Avodah] barchu

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 05:20:51PM +0000, Rich, Joel via Avodah wrote:
: According to the S"A 139:7, after the oleh "commands" the community to
: bless HKB"H before reading the Torah, the congregation responds "barchu
: hashem hamevorach l'olam vaed" and the oleh the repeats the phrase in
: order to be included with the congregation of blessers. Why does he wait
: and not utter the phrase with the congregation?

See the Agur, Hil' Berakhos 98, which can be found at
<http://www.beureihatefila.com/files/2008-04-04_Tefila_Newsletter.pdf#page=2>.
The Maharam miRothenburg held the sha"tz needn't say it at all.
R' Yehudah al-Barceloni says he should say.
The Agur adds: and we are noheig to say it.

The next source, the Avudraham (or to be accurate: Abu-Dirham), says
that the sha"tz says it to be among the community of mevorkhim. He
cites the Y-mi (Berakhos 7:3).

And he adds that R' Yehudah b"r Barzili Barceloni (I assume the same
source as the Seifer haAgur) writes in the name of R' Saadia that even
though the sha"tz said "haMvorakh", and therefore didn't remove himself
from the klal, he needs to return himself to the klal "legamrei" and day
"Barukh H' Hamvorkh". Like in bentching, where the leader says "nevareikh"
and yet repeats the responses of the rest of the zimun.

No answer there.

However, note that the assumption is that Borkhu doesn't need the sha"tz
or the oleh to repeat it. The sha"tz needs to repeat it for his own sake,
so as not to exclude himself from the kelal of mevorkhim. (Except according
to the MmR, who doesn't believe the sha"tz has such a need.)

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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