[Avodah] time as a spiral
Zev Sero via Avodah
avodah at lists.aishdas.org
Tue Sep 19 21:40:29 PDT 2017
On 19/09/17 14:48, Sholom Simon via Avodah wrote:
>
>> The Jewish model of time is a spiral. While time is certainly moving
>> forward, it progresses ahead specifically through a seasonal cycle.
>> Each year we pass through the same seasonal coordinates that are
>> imbued with whatever spiritual potentials were initially established
>> within them.
I assume this is in the context of a discussion of the way people in
ancient times used to see time as cyclical rather than as progressing,
as we moderns see it.
> I've also been told: there's no source for this notion in Chazal.
>
> Thoughts? (And, if not from Chazal -- then where/when does it first
> appear in Jewish thought?)
The idea that specific days have fixed properties that repeat every time
they come around is found everywhere in Chazal. They took it completely
for granted, and of course it fits into the cyclical way the ancients
saw all of time. But it's clear from the Torah that they *didn't* see
time as cyclical. So the author of this article uses the spiral to
explain how they did see it.
But it's impossible to discuss this entire subject without the insight
that there are different ways to see time, and without the two models --
cyclical and progressive -- to contrast, and to propose syntheses as
this author does. Chazal did not have the historical perspective to be
aware of this whole dichotomy. I suspect they were unaware that the
nochrim of their era didn't see time as they did, and that the nochrim
were just as unaware that Jews didn't see time as *they* did. Only
looking back from 2000 years later is this difference apparent, and we
can discuss how the Torah's progressive view of history can be
reconciled with dates repeating themselves, by using the spiral analogy.
--
Zev Sero May 2017, with its *nine* days of Chanukah,
zev at sero.name be a brilliant year for us all
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