[Avodah] Explanation of the Tur?

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Thu, Jun 22, 2017 at 09:27:07AM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
:>If you rule out this kind of learning from TSBP, you are ruling out one of
:> the key tools of halacha learning as not Torah.  Isn't that odd?

: Indeed, it's an explicit gemara: "*Torah* hi, velilmod ani tzarich".

I am excluding informal education from "lelameid bito", not excluding
the acquired info from "Torah". When the R' Eliezer (as quoted by the
Rambam) talks about learning
or teaching, is he thinking about mimetic osmosis and the like or
is he referring only to formal education?

It is indeed a key way to learn how to practice. In many cases -- eg
milah, safrus, mar'os, tereifos, etc... -- it's the /only/ way to learn
the necessary Torah.

"Mimetic osmosis *or the like*" is my acknowledgement that Chana
managed to convince me that my dichotomy is really a spectrum from the
informality of unconscious imitation to raw text study. And therefore
there will be gray are that is more or less likely to be included by R'
Eliezer or the Rambam rather than a yes-or-no. My talk of mimeticism
and osmosis overstates where I am going, and created needless problems
with the CC's use of "she'al avikha".

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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