[Avodah] tfillin check

[Zev Sero via Avodah]

On 09/06/17 14:31, Micha Berger via Avodah wrote:
> My feeling is that we allow relying on chazaqos lekhat-chilah. When
> something is "only" kosher because of rov or chazaqah, we don't tell
> the person they can only eat it beshe'as hadechaq. We don't worry about
> the risk of timtum haleiv from something that kelapei shemaya galya was
> really cheilev.

But if it's nisbarer afterwards that it really was chelev the kelim need 
to be kashered.   Ditto if it's nisbarer after someone toveled that the 
mikveh was pasul all the taharos he touched since then are retroactively 
tamei.  In fact if a mikveh is found to have been pasul all the taharos 
touched by all the people who used it since it was last known to be 
kosher are retroactively tamei.


> But those with more mystical mesoros, Chassidim and Sepharadim largely,
> are bound to disagree. Zev usually argues that not being enough of a risk
> to be worth avoiding isn't the same as not being a risk -- and in the
> case you learned the worst did come to worst -- the metaphysical outcome.

That's not a mystical position, it's a plain rational Litvisher position 
on risk assessment.


> And that's when I ask about tziduq hadin....

Now *there's* mysticism!  To a Litvak that shouldn't be a consideration. 
  The din is the din, and it's not up to us to justify it.

But IIRC you never deal with the explicit gemara about mikvaos.  A 
gemara that explicitly distinguishes the case of kohanim who were found 
to be pesulim from *every other case* in the Torah.



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