[Avodah] Chol Moed Minyan for Those Who Wear Tefillen

[Joseph Kaplan via Avodah]

Lost sight of original topic? If that were a valid criticism we'd hear it at least once if not more in every issue. 

As to substance. I've been davening in shuls on chol haMoed for more than 50 years and every shul I've davened in, all Modern Orthodox led by rabbis who were well respected talmedei chachamim, had men with and without teffilin davening in one minyan together, sitting next to each other without problems or, I'm pretty sure, thinking of transgressors. 

That's MY data which I would hope is as valid as shteibl data. And that's what my response to my good friend Toby was trying to deal with. 

I wasn't the one to raise the perspective of Heaven but I found Toby's thoughtful comment refreshingly interesting and, as always, articulate, so I thought about it a bit and responded. I thought that what we do here on A/A. 

Joseph

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> On Apr 26, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Apr 25, 2017 at 10:03:43PM +0000, Joseph Kaplan via Avodah wrote:
> :> implies that the members of the other subset are transgressing  halacha. This 
> :> makes the whole set, with its mutually contradictory  halachic subsets, look 
> :> bad from a Heavenly perspective, and potentially brings  down Heavenly judgment.
> 
> : Far be it for me to know what things look like from a Heavenly
> : perspective. But let me suggest this. Heaven sees different people
> : conscientiously following their family customs and davening together
> : nonetheless in peace and harmony understanding that all are acting out
> : of a love for Torah and, in the sense of shivim panim, not thinking that
> : anyone is a transgressor. And Heaven kaviyachol says, mi keamcha Yisrael.
> 
> I think we've lost sight of the original topic.
> 
> Most posqim do rule that the guys wearing tefillin on ch"m should be in
> a different minyan than those who don't. And barring that, compromises
> evolved like hijacking the ezras nashim for the smaller group.
> 
> When I was a kid, we tefillin-wearers davened Shacharis in the basement,
> joining the rest of the shteibl only for the latter part of davening.
> 
> We are therefore starting with data, the pesaq, and trying to figure
> out what that means aggadically.
> 
> Not just blindly guessing about how things look in heaven. If things
> are as you portray it, the original question is stronger -- what you
> said doesn't resolve anything.
> 
> BTW, if I had to guess, it would depend on whether people are indeed
> motivated by a consciencous following of family customs and the
> perspective on Torah that comes with their subculture. And how much
> is simple ethnic pride and the actual identification with Litvaks or
> Hungarians or Yekkes, Mughrabi or Halbi than identification with the
> Jewish People, or shomerei Torah umitzvos as self-identifications.
> 
> Tir'u baTov!
> -Micha
> 
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