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[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 01:58:36PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
:> The language of the azhara to keep the minhag talks about zimnin degazru
:> hamalkhus gezeirah.

:> Rashi ad loc says that the said gezeira would be against studying Torah,
:> the community would lose the sod ha'ibbur and mess up their version of
:> the calculation.

:> But that's not the cause for keeping the minhag going.

: The letter explicitly says that *was* the reason.

You don't address my claim, just deny it.

What the gemara says the letter read was:
    Hizharu beminhag avoseikhem!
    Zimnin degazru hamalkhus gezeirah, ve'asi le'ilqalqulei.

This is a motive given for "hizharu". (The letter expliticly says
so.)

Yes, it could mean that it's the motive for the minhag, which is so
strong that that justifies not only keeping it going, but being warned
But, given that the potential oppression does not justify the format
of the minhag, this explanation must be for the caution alone.

:> Because that
:> rationale has nothing to do with where the messengers could arrive on
:> time back when we needed them.

: Those places never had a minhag of two days, so Chazal weren't going
: to institute one now.

Why not? 

If the problem is the unreliability of a computed calendar that is done
once for centuries ahead without a Sanhedrin, this is new to those in
Israel too!

I am suggesting the problem being solved is peopole forgetting that
qiddush hachodesh should be al pi re'iyah, and that's why practices
from the era of al pi re'iyah were preserved.

Then they add, that one shouldn't say it's not /that/ important, because
there is a pragmatic benefit as well.


(In any case, Chazal were instituting a derabbanan based on a pre-existing
minhag. I don't think you intended to imply that the "one" being instituted
now was a minhag.)

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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