[Avodah] yaakov vs yehuda

[Zev Sero via Avodah]

On 06/01/17 14:21, Micha Berger wrote:
> Bereishis 44:7 says "vayomeru eilav". Yehudah was the spokesman

What's your source for that?

 > But what if it wasn't? Would the question in the OP be
 > any different if asked about why Naftali or Shim'on's words weren't
 > fulfilled despite the tenai?

Maybe not, but we don't know.  The question is specifically about 
Yehuda, and we don't know what he said.


 > (For that matter, whomever said it, the chumash presents it as the
 > group's sentiment -- including Yehudah.)

The sentiment isn't what matters, it's the words that can do harm 
regardless of the sentiment behind them.

 > I still think it reads as an offer to Yosef, and not an oath to the
 > Broei, and that's why this statement isn't like Yaaqov's.

How is it different from Yehuda's "vechatasi le'avi". The rule operative 
here is that whatever a tzadik says, even if it's attached to a 
condition that was not fulfilled, happens anyway.

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