[Avodah] yaakov vs yehuda

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Thu, Jan 05, 2017 at 09:44:27PM -0500, Zev Sero via Avodah wrote:
: But the premise of this thread remains without foundation.  There is
: no record of Yehuda saying what was attributed to him, and therefore
: no question.

Bereishis 44:7 says "vayomeru eilav". Yehudah was the spokesman,
so it's most likely he was the one who spoke about whomever having
the cup dying. But what if it wasn't? Would the question in the OP be
any different if asked about why Naftali or Shim'on's words weren't
fulfilled despite the tenai? (For that matter, whomever said it, the
chumash presents it as the group's sentiment -- including Yehudah.)

I still think it reads as an offer to Yosef, and not an oath to the
Broei, and that's why this statement isn't like Yaaqov's.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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