[Avodah] Which comes first this Motzei Shabbos, Chanukah lights or Havdalah?

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 03:44:02PM +0000, Professor L. Levine via Avodah wrote:
: In Shul, the accepted minhag is to light Chanukah lights first (Mishna
: Berura and Beiur Halacha, ibid.). Possibly, this is because the great
: Pirsumei Nisa for an entire shul is very significant (see Aruch HaShulchan
: 681:2).

... where RYME quotes the BY that the reason is to get yesterday out first
before dealing with the next day. He then quotes the Rama in support.

He also notes that havdalah is tadir, and therefore it should be tadir
qodem.

Last he quotes the MA, the Elyah Raba and Gra, that it really depends on
"Atah Chonantanu". So that either way havdalah is first.

And that is more true in shul than when lighting neir ish ubeiso.

And then there's the question of how to make "me'orei ha'eish" after
lighting the menorah. (Kol Bo in the name of the Raavad.) And if you
want to say that because this shimush isn't hana'ah, it's not a problem,
RYME reminds you that you light a shamash.

:         At home one should follow his own minhag since there is a valid
: basis for both viewpoints (MB and BH, ibid.). If one has no minhag, he
: can choose what to do since both are valid minhagim (see end of Beiur
: Halacha, ibid., in the name of the Pri Megodim).

The AhS concludes both are indeed worth consideration, but for all
the reasons he gave above, havdalah being first (like the Taz) "asi
shapir". Despite my own impression that his earlier discussion had no
clear winner.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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