[Avodah] Purim and Maavirin es Roa haGezeirah

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 05:29:01PM +0300, Lisa Liel via Avodah wrote:
: >But then I realized that "ma'avirin es roa' hegezeirah" doesn't promise
: >a repeal of the gezeirah. Rather, the gezeirah comes to pass, but one
: >passes through (avoids? is sheileded from?) the tragic aspect of it.

: Except that the haavara is of the roa hagezeira.  It is the evil of
: the decree that is caused to pass; not us.  And in terms of Purim,
: while the gezera was not prevented, its roa certainly was, by the
: second gezera, the one permitting us to fight back.

The "And in terms..." was exactly my point. I thought the difference
between what Acheshveirosh's words are being used to say about the Melekh
(in Chazal's subtext to Esther) and what we're saying on Yamim Noraim
is whether the gezeira could change. The megillah says "... venechtam
betabaas ha[M]elekh ein lehashiv", whereas we are saying "maavirin."

"But then I realized" that it's more about the outcome of the
gezeira. Thus explaining the notion of chasimah. It also explains the
value of mid-year teshuvah even despite the chasimah. The gezeirah neednt
be overturned in order to have an entirely new outcome.

So I think we're in agreement, I just wasn't clear enough about where
the hava amina ended and the masqana began.


But I don't understand your diqduq point. The "es" means that "roa
hagezeirah" is the object of the statement. So one passes through the
tragedy of the decree. What was my mistake?

GCT!
-Micha

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