[Avodah] [Areivim] Rav Tal on the state of Israel

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 08:10:45PM +0300, R Eli Turkel wrote on Areivim:
> In these days of the yahrzeit of RAL there are many articles about
> him. One article says that RAL objected strongly to the above
> statements. He questions whether any rabbi has the "email address"
> of hashem and knows what is helping or hindering the coming of Moshiach.

His rebbe and FIL held a similar opinion. Which is why RYBS suggested
to those talmidim who were going to say the Tefillah leShalom haMedinah
that they might be able to get adding "shetehei" without arguments from
the congregation May our Father who is in heaven bless Israel that it
become the beginning of the flowering of our redemption, rather than
asserting as a given that Israel is that beginning.

R SY Alkalai and R ZH Kalisher, the first RZ (or religious proto-Zionist)

voices, certainly did speak in terms of ge'ulah and qibbutz golios in the
eschatological sense. However, R' Yitzcvhaq Reines, Mizrachi's founder,
as well as R' Shmuel Mohilever were also non-messianic in their Zionism,
and yet their Zionism was religious, not in addition to their religion.
We've discussed in the past the fact that not all RZism is Messianic
Zionism, and in fact amongst RZ gedolim, this opinion might not even
have the majority. Depending, of course, on the fruitless exercise of
defining who is a gadol.


Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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