[Avodah] maaseh avot siman lebanim

[H Lampel via Avodah]

On 11/25/2015 7:01 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 06:52:32PM -0500, Zvi Lampel wrote:
> : I agree, and would add that the rishonim likewise guide us in the general
> : direction of understanding Chazal (and pesukim and general Jewish thought
> : and ideology).
>
> Except WRT pesuqim, where you have pashtanim offering peshatim that ignore
> both Chazal's derashos and sometimes their peshatim as well.
This is not an exception, because we were speaking in the context of 
what you called ''shinui'' vs. ''chiddush," and I used the wording 
''general direction,'' in accord as well with RET's wording of ''making 
a bad guy into a good guy.''
>   I think this
> is less and less true the further one gets from pure TSBP.
Not sure what you mean by that.
>
> As for the rishonim's guidance... I spoke in the metaphor of momentum,
> not inertia,
These are physics terms, and I don't understand how they apply to our 
subject. (Don't ask me to explain what they mean in physics, either...)
>   how the TSBP is flowing down the generations, not a snapshot.
Deciphering original intent is the initial objective. The assumption is 
that ''what R' Ashi thought that intent
    was, which in turn can only be understood through the eyes of what the
    Rosh and the Rambam understood R' Ashi's meaning to be'' is an 
accurate analysis of what Rav Yochonon's historical intent was. What to 
do with the results arrived at when allegedly accurate new and 
contradicing information appears is another story.

Zvi Lampel