[Avodah] submission to an authority

saul newman via Avodah avodah at lists.aishdas.org
Tue Dec 1 09:21:58 PST 2015


http://www.rationalistjudaism.com/2015/12/innovations-in-orthodoxy.html#comment-form


is it or is it not a tenet of  Orthodoxy  that to be defined as O  one must
submit to some defined human authority?    clearly,  we must deny the
preposition that [even if this premise is true ] to be O one must submit to
either the entity called  'moetzets gedolei hatorah'  of the USA or Israel
---  since amongst the groups that do NOT  are Satmar ,  and they are
considered O  .

nominally other nebulous groups in the general rubric of O mostly  HAVE
submitted to someone.  eg Chabad  submitted to their Rebbes  while they had
them .  MO  submitted to  RYBS  while they had him -----  but in both cases
, one can claim they  essentially need submit to no one , since there is no
universally recognized Leader of either stream,  even though SOME  of those
latter groups DO submit to someone [ eg RHS  in some of MO , and certain
crown hts rabbis in the case of chabad].

the controversy is  whether OO , which recognizes NO authority over them ,
 are in violation of the proposed tenet or not .

so, is there a tenet of O  that submission to a defined panel of leadership
 is mandatory?
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