[Avodah] De-Chokifying Arayos (including MZ)

[Micha Berger via Avodah]

(Sorry for approving both versions of that post! It was a quick typo in
what was until-then going so smoothly! -micha)

On 2015-07-20 5:34 pm, RZ Lampel wrote:
> RMB responded: "Lo zakhisi lehavin: It's hard to see how incest 
> within
> the immediate family or eishes iss aren't mefursamot."

> Adultery (eishis ish) is technically taking from another man that 
> which
> belongs exclusively to him. So that itself puts it within the 
> category of
> issurim that are mefursamos.

> The Rambam (MN 2:49) ...

Yes. But our problem is with Shemoneh Peraqim, where the Rambam 
distinguishes
between mitzvos mefusamot, for which a person should develop a desire 
that is
in line with the mitzvah (or a distaste in line with the issur), and 
other
mitzvos where one should simply refrain out of submission to ol 
mitzvos.

And among his mitzvos which are NOT mefursamos are arayos. R/Dr Meir 
Shinnar
writes:
>                                         he specifically applies that 
> to
> arayot - and needs to apply it to arayot, because the sugyot that 
> deal with
> kol hagadol mechavero yitzro gadol  mimenu - specifically apply to 
> arayot.
> One could argue whether the arayot the rambam means refers to all 
> dine
> arayot, or only to a subset (excluding mishkav zachar), although not 
> sure
> on what basis - but clearly the rambam here insists that arayot are 
> NOT
> self evident or even mefursamot

So regardless of how he categorizes them in the Moreh, the chiluq the 
Rambam
makes in 8P requires our considering these issurim to not be 
self-evident.

(Which I still don't get.)

-micha
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