[Avodah] Esther and the King

[Zev Sero]

On 27/02/2013 1:33 PM, Lisa Liel wrote:
> On 2/27/2013 12:21 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
>>                                                          .... In Seifer
>> Makkabiim we learn that the Chassidim haRishonim wouldn't fight a war
>> on Shabbos. Piquach nefesh -- saving SOMEONE ELSE's life -- is only a
>> matir / dokheh Shabbos because of the opportunity to keep more Shabbos
>> later if kept alive. So it would seem to me (miqal vachomer) that Shabbos
>> is only off the YVY list for this reason. And not like the other 609.

> I don't believe your analysis of Sefer Maccabim is correct.  Mattitiyahu
> didn't say, "From now on, people need to fight."  He said, "We need to all
> learn how to use weapons so that we'll be able to fight." ...

I've also seen it suggested (I don't remember where, but probably right
here on Avodah) that they considered it "sh'as hashmad", that the enemy's
reason for attacking them on Shabbos was davka to make them break it by
resisting, so it bacame a YVY; Matisyahu's chidush was that resisting
the shmad overrides the usual "sh'as hashmad" rule.

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Zev Sero
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