[Avodah] What date was the Torah given?

Zev Sero zev at sero.name
Wed Jan 2 12:05:57 PST 2013

On 2/01/2013 2:47 PM, Lisa Liel wrote:
> On 1/2/2013 12:35 PM, Zev Sero wrote:
>> On 2/01/2013 11:30 AM, Akiva Miller wrote:

>>> So if they knew Asher's birthday, the date of Matan Torah would
>>> presumably be even more memorable, as R' Marty Bluke asked.

>> They knew the date of matan torah with no less certainty than they knew
>> the date of Asher's birth!

> Why?  Matan Torah is dated relative to Pesach.  Asher's birth wasn't
> relative to anything.  So there'd have been a reason to remember the
> date of Asher's birth, and no need to remember the date of Matan Torah.

The same Chazal who -- with whatever degree of confidence -- give us Asher's
birth date, give us the date of Matan Torah with no less confidence, and a
good deal *more* textual backing.  Therefore the question's entire premise
is fallacious.

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