[Avodah] Brush teeth after seudat shlishit

Akiva Miller kennethgmiller at juno.com
Thu Aug 2 05:52:34 PDT 2012


R"n Lisa Liel wrote:

> ...we wouldn't ordinarily chow down on half a can of
> Pringles on Shabbat.

She was speaking about whether it might constitute preparing for after Shabbos, but R' Michael Poppers added another dimension to it, writing:

> Isn't eating such food at any s'udah shlishis, never mind the
> one this past Shabbos/9Av, accordingly problematic because it
> displays a lack of kavod for Shabbos ... (Perhaps "a lack of
> kavod for Shabbos" is not an issue, or perhaps eating food on
> Shabbos that one [how 'bout a ben-melech] would not ordinarily
> eat on Shabbos is irrelevant?)

I was curious what he meant by "how 'bout a ben-melech", and discussed it with him this morning after minyan. That conversation led to the observation that it is often difficult to put in writing what sorts of activities or foods are appropriate for Shabbos, because varying cultures can treat similar activities to differently. This makes it difficult to specify these sort of things in writing.

(For example, see Rabbi Yiroel Pinchos Bodner's "Halachos of Muktza", p 72, where Rav Moshe Feinstein advised the author NOT to enumerate which appliances are or are not Muktze Machmas Chisaron Kis for this very reason.)

However, halacha does provide a sort of "sliding scale" for evaluating the "fanciness" of foods, and that is in Hilchos Bishul Akum, where we must judge whether or not a food is appropriate for a king's table. This is a standard which can change for a given food, from culture to culture. But nevertheless, it *is* a standard, and it does apply to food, and it is rather unbiased from a Shabbos perspective.

So RMP and I wondered -- Is there a posek anywhere, who advises that on Shabbos, people should try to eat foods which are Oleh Al Shulchan Melachim? Or that advises people to avoid foods which are outside of that category? I don't think anyone would actually *forbid* junk snacks on Shabbos, but still, it sounds like a useful yardstick, and I wonder if anyone suggests it.

Akiva Miller

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