[Avodah] Who is a Talmid Chacham

[Micha Berger]

On Sat, Jul 07, 2012 at 10:10:41PM +0300, Doron Beckerman wrote:
:                          He is called a Parnas in that Gemara, not a
: Dayyan, a Zakein, or a Shofeit.

But the gemara is about listening to posqim. As I noted last post.
Which is why I don't know how you can say the idea is something like a
toladah to morid bemalkhus, when the gemara itself says it's lo sasur --
the sourcetext for authority qua poseiq.

:> Asa didn't draft them for national defense, he had them gathering the
:> stones off Ramah and building with them. Melakhim I 15:23, and the
:> gemara's calling them an angary<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angary>.
:> (Thanks to RZS for identifying the term for me.)

: Oy. The Angaria is not the requisitioning of the *rocks*, it is the
: requisitioning of the *people*, the Talmidei Chachamim that he should not
: have touched! Compare to Nedarim 32a where Avraham Avinu is criticized
: for "Angaria BeTalmidei Chachamim" regarding his war to try and save Lot.
: According to one opinion there - his punishment for that was no slap on
: the wrist. It cost us 210 years in Egypt.

That's not what the word means, though. Angary is seizing the enemy's
property. I agree that AA is actually being criticized for the same
kind of cheit as Asa. But I see the cheit being overstepping the use
of TC to include things beyond the milkhemes mitzvah itself.

Seperate question I'm now wondering: Who did Avraham have take with
him other than talmidei chakhamim?

Gut Voch!
-Micha

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