[Avodah] [Areivim] Asifa - Lose Olam Haba

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 09:38:50AM +0100, Chana Luntz wrote:
: RZS writes:
: > >AFAIK that's not correct.  The rav must not merely determine that the
: > >proposed takanah is not against halacha; his consent is necessary for
: > >it to be valid.  If he sees no halachic objection but thinks it bad
: > >policy, he can still veto it.

: Just to add to what RZS says, the case upon which the idea that one needs
: the approval of an "adam chashuv" namely the Rav of the town, is based on
: Baba Basra 9a.  There Rava refused to enforce an agreement between two
: (presumably communal) butchers that if either one slaughtered on the other
: one's "day", the one whose day it was got the hide.  This is clearly an
: agreement that has nothing to do with halacha, but it was struck down
: because Rava was in the city, and was an adam chashuv, and he didn't agree
: to the deal.

Getting the thread back to where we were... Still, it's someone whose
authority was accepted, pasqening that what a representative sample of
the town agreed to is good town policy.

It's not someone who you didn't know would call in and never accepted
as /your/ authority pasqening something that doesn't need to be a
community-wide policy.

In the case of taxation or spending communal funds, then you need a
process to get a single answer, and it's inevitable that someone will
not get there way. Similarly that not everyone will be able to consult
their own rav.

And just like that town, the Agudah needs a Moetzes for the organization's
own guidance and direction. It's an organization, it needs to pick
a rav (or if you like the idea, pace R' Chaim Briker, of a panel of
rabbanim) to give a single answer for them to follow. The RCA has its
rav as well. That's different than accepting the authority of random
members of the Moetzes -- or in this case, a different organization's
mo'etzes -- to pasqen or provide lifnim mishuras hadin guidance for
*members* (formal or informal) of the Agudah.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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