[Avodah] torture in halacha???

[hankman]

RMB wrote:
> We're miscommunicating because you are saying that there is no separate
> issur of torture beyond hitting, something to which I agree. I don't think
> hitting in order to get something from someone and torture are different
> things.

RZS wrote:
I'm not sure there isn't a separate issur. I just can't think of one.
Maybe it does exist, and someone can find a source for it. But the
original question assumed that there was such an issur and asked whether
it could ever be overcome, and RLL's answer was that first one must
establish that the issur exists, and then we can talk about its limits.

CM asks:
Well what about cases where there is no “hitting,” but there is either physical or psychological pain, such as say, 1) sleep deprivation, 2) deprivation of food and water by a near starvation diet, 3) being forced to stand all day, 4)  getting a little more physical,  to be subjected to the much discussed water boarding, and I am sure we could dream up many others. What would these be considered if a father or rebbe tried them? I think most would think them highly abusive and asur but there is no “hitting” involved.

Kol Tuv

Chaim Manaster
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