On 5/14/2012 3:00 PM, Micha Berger wrote: >> On 5/13/2012 3:26 PM, Harvey Benton wrote: >>> is torture ever allowed in halacha??? ... > If tza'ar baalei chaim isn't allowed, lo kol shekein humans. > So, there has to be a criterion for justification. I would think that the only criterion would be "is it necessary?" Just as in tzaar baalei chayim. Lisa