[Avodah] Daas Torah Rerere...redux - Pesachim 112a

Micha Berger micha at aishdas.org
Fri May 11 08:41:35 PDT 2012


On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 08:36:46AM -0500, Lisa Liel wrote:
> On 5/10/2012 6:00 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
>> If you agree that milei are words and ideas (from /mll/, to speak), as
>> in milei de'alma, or for that matter milei degirsa, then I don't know
>> why you think milei detzibura is hands-on rather than knowing the society.
>> Rashi is comparing what they take the time to learn.

> Because it's talking about governance.  Milei d'tzibura obviously means  
> public necessities.  It doesn't say milei d'alma.

Yes, knowing HOW to govern or WHO he is governing. Rashi uses a pair of
matching clauses -- milei degirsa and milei detzibura. It seems compelling
to me that he is comparing knowledge vs knowledge. Espesially since the
word in repetition ("milei") literally means "words of".


On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 02:07:07AM +0000, kennethgmiller at juno.com wrote:
:> Isn't Rashi saying that a TC who spends his time with texts
:> lacks the knowledge of what's going on in the society in
:> question to be a good leader?

: He *might* be saying that.

: I'd prefer to think that he's saying that it's a shanda (a shame,
: a pity) to live in a town where the chachamim get themselves dirty with
: politics. Better to leave that to the askanim, who are in frequent contact
: with the chachamim, and know when to refer something to their attention.

If he meant it descriptively rather than descriptively, would Rashi have
said "sheyihyu tedirin..." or "shetzerikhim lihyos", rather than saying
the problem with their leadership is that they are actually teridim in
milei degirsa rather than milei detzivura?

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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