I hope this isn't too pedantic, but can we define 'torture'? Is there any objective halakhic definition anywhere? Kol tuv, Simi Peters -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.aishdas.org/pipermail/avodah-aishdas.org/attachments/20120515/ce7e5a43/attachment.htm>