[Avodah] Subject: oven timer

[David Wacholder]

The Star K instructions for their Shabbos ovens discuss these things .


Once the timer is off - it is not heating actively - will never go back on
- I would put in the Challos to warm


I would also put the food back freely - if  somebody will come late.


IMHO it is Hatmana in davar she'eino mosif hevel -


SHAVUOS - ELECTRONICALLY CONTROLLED THERMOSTAT - LEAVING IT ON ENTIRE YOM
TOV - PUTTING THINGS IN AND OUT


The practice is to forbid it and I cannot recommend it - it is too close to
the border.


ON THE OTHER HAND See Kontresei Shi'urim - Rav Gustman in Ksuvos on Psik
Reisha - i


If a candle is cut from the bottome- Machlokes Rosn and Tos - the machmir
stringent says you are "extinguishing" future burning.


My reading - check if you agree - that an indirect cause extrinsic side
action - either  lighting it or putting it out would be permitted.


Therefore - contrary to the Strictest Standards - opening a refrigerator -
even when the thermostat is off causes no problem.


FOLKLORE HAS IT -  a "brilliant" student piped up -  "BUT IN CHAZON ISH IT
SAYS IT IS FORBIDDEN"


THE RAV G answered:   Those [overly stringent] Eretz Yisrael Rabbanim - if
they could they would forbid drinking water!!


To which someone added:  Three things now of necessity to be a Jew -
Gefiltered water, Gefitered internet, and Gefiltered fish! [smile icon]



f outside cause creates the Mlacha - it is not psik reisha.
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