[Avodah] animals and bechira??

[Lisa Liel]

On 1/23/2012 11:44 AM, David Riceman wrote:
> On 1/23/2012 11:25 AM, Lisa Liel wrote:
>>
>> I don't think it does.  I think it means that the type of animal can 
>> be trained.  Calling it self-control already assumes some sort of 
>> self-awareness, which begs the question.

> But then why is there a machlokes? Surely whether lions can be trained 
> can be determined empirically.

How so?  If someone tries to train a lion and gets et, maybe they were 
just bad at it.

Lisa