[Avodah] Evolution, Hashgachah and Tehillah

[Lisa Liel]

On 10/3/2011 6:18 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 10:07:26AM -0500, Lisa Liel wrote:
>    
>> I've also heard, regarding the express "ein mazal l'Yisrael", that much
>> of the world *does* operate randomly (based on the starting values
>> defined by Hashem), and that "mazal", or chance, is how the world works.
> Is "mazal" chance? We know that belief in astrology and knowledge that
> the stars move in predictable ways, and in particular, that the
> mazalos move together, coexisted. I would therefore think that the concept
> of "mazal" is more tied to fate and predestination, a mechanical and
> deterministic view of the forces of the universe.
> sister to te
>    
I don't see a distinction, really.  Whatever the mechanics of the 
universe itself are.  If it's chance, if it's fate... whichever it is 
without hashgacha pratit.

Lisa