[Avodah] Sim shalom-Shalom Rav

[Micha Berger]

On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 02:46:02PM -0500, Lisa Liel wrote:
> Rav David Bar Hayim, not Chaim b David. And my guess is that Sim
> Shelomekha would be the nusah in the Yerushalmi. He tends to pasken
> by that. He was actually the one who told me that this was the reason
> for the dual nus'haot of Sim Shalom/Shalom Rav and Hashkiveinu. That one
> was the nusah in the Bavli and the other was the nusah in the Yerushalmi.
> Can anyone confirm or contradict this?

Sim Shelomekha is not in the Y-mi. Nor is the chasimah "ve/Oseh hashalom".
For that matter, there is no indication from the Y-mi at all what the
nusach they used was. IOW, no other variant, spelled malei or chaseir,
passed my search.

Hashkiveinu is in the Bavli in the question of why it was not dividing
Geulah and Tefillah ("kege'ulah arikhta damya; Berakhos 4b). It is not
mentioned in the Y-mi, and the chasimah isn't mentioned in either.

He may have meant Israel vs Bavel, but the talmudim are silent.

BTW, WRT Israel vs Bavel: we really mean Roman vassels vs Persian
vassels. Which is why we can use the Cairo Geniza in this discussion.
We presume that nusach across two countries in the same empire didn't
vary as much. Whereas trade and communication between Bavel and EY was
less frequent.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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