[Avodah] walking between 2 women

[Akiva Blum]

From: Eli Turkel <eliturkel at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:28 PM
Subject: [Avodah] walking between 2 women

 


Are most people really makpid on this?

 

Rabbl P.E. Falk has a whole section on this in 'Modesty - An Adornmant For
Life'. Permit me to quote selections (from p 503):

             (b) Certainties concerning this issue: The following are points
that are definite concerning the warning of chazal.

                              (1) A man should not pass between two
stationary women unless there are four amos between them (Ben Ish Chai .

                              (2) a woman should nor pass between two
stationary men if there is less than four amos between them [for this reason
no shura is made for an aveila.

 

                              (4) When two men pass simultaneously between
two women or two women pass simultaneously between two men the warning of
chazal does not apply.

                              (5) When the outer people are standing or
walking in a way that they cannot be considered as associated with one
another, the advice of chazal does not apply. For example, they are within
four amos of one another but one is distinctly further ahead than the other.
In such a case there is no connection between the two outer people and the
middle person is not considered as crossing between them. This however does
not include women standing behing one another in a queue. They are connected
by being 'together the queue'.

                              (6) When a 'man woman man' walk
unintentionally together (such as a husband and wife walking along and a
second man walks unintentionally alongside the wife).

 

              (c) Uncertainties concerning this issue.:

                              (1) . girls under bar mitzvah.

                              (2) Whether it applies within close family eg.
A father walking between his wife and adult daughter (see Beis Baruch vol. 1
page 402 and Shmiras haguf vehanefesh 111 note 12 The latter quotes the
Chazon Ish who held that this applies even to close family).

                              (3) . non-Jewish women.

                              (4) Whether it applies when all three people
are standing, walking or sitting together, or only if the inner person
crosses through the outer ones (Responsa Salmas Chayim 504 writes that it
applies, see Responsa Vaywvarech Dovid no.122 s.v. ubenogeia and Shmiras
haguf vehanefesh 111: (4). However sefer Zikaron no.16, Minchas Yitzchok
10:68 and Beis Baruch vol.1 page 402 are in doubt).

                              (5) Whether it applies when one of the two
outer people is sitting and the other is standing.

                              (6) Whether it applies when two men pass
either side of a standing woman or two women along either side of a
stationary man.

                              (7) Some maintain that if the man passing in
the middle caries an article such as an umbrella or a sefer, he is not
considered to be passing alone between the two women and the warning does
not apply (Tiv Yehoshua 2:12, Beis Baruch vol.1 page 402, Zichron Tov letter
28, Lev Eliyohu breishis introduction page 27. This is however not
unanimously held - Responsa Vaywvarech Dovid 122 and Chazon Ish quotes in
Shmiras haguf vehanefesh page 334).

 

This is just a selection of quotes, but there are enough useful qulas, that
with a little attention and effort, this is easily followed.

 

Akiva

 

 

 

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