[Avodah] shabbas//mishum eiva, etc???

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 10:30:43PM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
> Eivah is pikuach nefesh; about 1800 or so, when it became clear that the
> excuses which had stood us in good stead for 2000 years or more were no
> longer going to be accepted, we suddenly find the first mention of such
> a heter....

I do not know what specific use of "mishum eivah" RZS is referring to
as bring modern. Last time around this topic, Rn Chana Luntz pointed us
to the the Encyc Talmudit, noting its entry on "eivah" has 4 sections:
husband and wife, father and son, bein adam lachaveiro in general,
and between Yehudi and nachri. The existence of the first four categories
should prove that mishum eivah isn't simply an instance of piquach nefesh,
and the examples in the fourth section well predate 1800.

(I gave a similar response to dispell the same claim by RZS made on
Areivim last Feb.)

-Micha

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