[Avodah] cruelty to animals......

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Aug 07, 2011 at 09:05:34AM -0400, Zev Sero wrote:
>> telling a calf/kid a kind word), then why are we allowed to leave a fallen animal
>> in a bor, all shabbas to suffer (eg, broken bones, etc)

> What choice do we have?  What heter is there to move it?

We allow violation of a shevus for tza'ar ba'alei chaim, e.g. milking
cows in a way that the milk can't be used.

If here the problem is karmelis, which is also derabbanan, one might
make a similar argument.

>> are there chilul hashem issues also involved, eg, if goyim walk by and see us
>> running home to chulent, while a donkey or horse brays in pain??

> How is that a mattir for chilul shabbos?  If we start doing averos because
> of what the goyim will think, there goes the entire Torah.

Or at least the dinim derabbanan.

-Micha

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