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[Micha Berger]

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 06:47:27PM -0400, Meir Shinnar wrote:
:> : I don't understand "mechuyavei ham'tzius" to mean "necessities
:> : of existence." I believe it means "must necessarily have happened."...
...
:> I really doubt that, in general, and moreso in the Rambam in particular.
:> To use classical philosophical terms, you're saying "mechuyavei hametzius"
:> are non-contingent events. However, leshitaso, all of metzi'us is
:> contingent.

:> IMHO,
:>    mechuyavei: necessitated by
:>    metzi'us: empirical existence
...
: While RMB and I finally agree on something in the rambam, in the
: particular phrase that REMT has chosen, I think REMT is closer to the
: truth.  The rambam is contrasting the fool, who views every impossible
: story as not being merely true - but Mechuyav hametziyut - non
: contingent events...

Define "metzi'us". To me it implies empiricism, and thus "mechuyavei
hametzi'us" are things empirically compelled. Not "non-contingent"
(as REMT wrote) but compelled by physics..

Thus my translation that the Rambam is ridiculing people who believe
aggadic stories that defy the laws of nature.

BTW, he doesn't talk about the fool who believes the event is
non-contingent, but the fool who believes something that defies the
non-contingent, or as I'm reading it, defies empirical law. And thus
the same point R' Dr Shinnar pointed us to in Maamar Techiyas haMeisim.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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