[Avodah] soup

[Zev Sero]

On 13/07/2011 10:37 AM, David Riceman wrote:
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>>It seems that when people talk about "the meal", what they often mean is "the main course". And "the main course" refers to what is in the plate, not what is in the glass.>>
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> But then the category fits our style of eating quite well.  Soup, fruit cups, the fish course, desert (not made of mezonos) all fit the category of "not part of the meal".

The fish course too?!  Don't you see where you've gone wrong, if that's
where it leads you?  How can you imagine that the fish is not an intrinsic
part of the meal?

The underlying problem in this whole discussion is, as several people
have noted, that our eating patterns have changed so that bread is no
longer the ikkar of almost any meal, but rather it's almost always a
liftan.   Even in a sandwich, we no longer think of it as bread with
a shmear of something to make it go down, but as some food with bread
1) to hold it, 2) to complement it, 3) to make it more substantial;
pick any or all.  It seems clear to me that we need someone or some
beis din with the breitkait to thoroughly revamp hilchos birchos
hanehenin.  But even such a person would, I suspect, make soup
subordinate to the main course, unless it's a hearty soup and is a
meal on its own.



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