[Avodah] women and tefillin

[Zev Sero]

On 12/07/2011 12:27 PM, Micha Berger wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 01:17:45PM +0000, Elazar M. Teitz wrote:
> : RMicha Berger wrote, "Tzitzis are clothing, and once it wasn't in style
> : for women to wear tzitzis, for them to do so would violate "beged ish"
> : ("Lo yihyeh keli gever al ishah..." Dev 22:5)"
>
> : How many women wera tzitzis on a four-cornered women's garment?
> : Tzitzis is more than a tallis and a tallis katan.
>
> When? In the days of Tanakh or Chazal? I don't know. However, I feel safe
> in my assumption that women didn't do so for centuries, which would be
> sufficient to establish keli gever, no?

Are you suggesting that the mere presence of tzitzis on a garment, no
matter how feminine, is enough to render it "kli gever"?

BTW, my great-great-grandmother, Rochel Leah Shagalovich (AKA Rochel
Leah di vaininke, because she sold wine), was widely rumoured to wear
tzitzis; I still hear this rumour occasionally, but my grandmother
(her granddaughter) said it wasn't true.  Still, she was the kind of
woman about whom such rumours could circulate.

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