[Avodah] Avodah

[Micha Berger]

Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:28:15 -0400
From: "Prof. Levine" <llevine at stevens.edu>
Subject: [Avodah] True Peace

The following is from RSRH's commentary on Bamidbar 25:12

12 Therefore proclaim it: Lo! I give to him My covenant: Peace.

Here, the realization of the supreme harmony of peace is entrusted by God precisely to that spirit and to that activism which thoughtless people anxious to mask their passivity and neglect of duty as love of peace like to brand and condemn as disturbances of the peace. Peace is a precious thing for which one is obligated to sacrifice everything, all of ones own rights and possessions, but one may never sacrifice for it the rights of others, and one may never sacrifice for it what God has declared to be good and true. There can be true peace among men only if they all are at peace with God. One who dares to struggle against the enemies of what is good and true in the eyes of God is by this very struggle one of the fighters for the bris sholom on earth. Conversely, one who, for the sake of what he imagines to be peace with his fellow men, cedes the field without protest and allows them to stir up strife with God makes common cause by his very love of peace with the enemies of the bris sholom on earth. What saved the people was not the apathy of the masses, nor even the tears of sorrow shed by those who stood idly at the entrance to the Tent of Appointed Meeting. It was the brave act of Pinchas that saved the people and restored to them peace with God and His Law, thereby restoring the basis for true peace.

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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:51:25 +0100
From: Chana Luntz <chana at kolsassoon.org.uk>
Subject: [Avodah] Rabbi Meir Chayesh l'meutei versus Rav Meir in relation to

Something on the recent daf yomi at the moment, that I am sure somebody discusses somewhere (and I may even have come across it somewhere so any pointers would be appreciated):

On Chullin 14b the sugya discussing breira is brought, including the machlokus between Rabbi Meir and others regarding whether one can drink wine on shabbas from which one had only designated the wine which will remain after shabbas as the trumos and ma'asros. And the others object to Rabbi Meir's solution to use breira on the grounds that the wine cask may break, and then it will result that no trumos and ma'asros ended up being taken, while Rabbi Meir is not concerned for this possibility.

But how does that reconcile with Rabbi Meir's other famous position, namely that he is chayesh l'meutei - ie concerned for minority cases (brought most recently on daf 11b).

Why is the barrel breaking not a minority case, just like a katan or katana turning out to be an ailanis? And surely both are cases where it is possible to be mevarer, if you wait long enough, so the exception to the rule brought on daf 11b doesn't help.
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From: "Rich, Joel" <JRich at sibson.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 09:55:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [Avodah] Rabbi Meir Chayesh l'meutei versus Rav Meir in

> On Chullin 14b the sugya discussing breira is brought, including the
...

You might find this shiur of interest -
http://download.yutorah.org/2011/1109/762440/Chulling%20Daf%2011%20-%20Source%20for%20Following%20Rov.MP3

http://www.yutorah.org/lectures/lecture.cfm/762440/Rabbi_Aryeh_Lebowitz/Chulling_Daf_11_-_Source_for_Following_Rov

Rabbi Aryeh Lebowitz -hulling Daf 11 - Source for Following Rov

Perhaps the miyut in this case is a miyut bmiyuta or 1/1000 that even R' Meir wouldn't worry about?
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Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 17:12:03 +0100
From: Chana Luntz <chana at kolsassoon.org.uk>
Subject: [Avodah] Rabbi Meir Chayesh l'meutei versus Rav Meir in relation to

> Perhaps the miyut in this case is a miyut bmiyuta or 1/1000 that even R' Meir wouldn't worry about?

But if that were the case, why would Rabbi Yehuda and Rabbi Yosi and Rabbi Shimon all be concerned for it as stated on daf 14b?