[Avodah] R. Hirsch as a Modern Orthodox Leader

[Harry Maryles]

--- On Thu, 6/30/11, Micha Berger <micha at aishdas.org> wrote:



On Thu, Jun 30, 2011 at 05:24:48AM +0300, Ben Waxman wrote:
: From: Saul.Z.Newman at kp.org 
:> 1--R Hirsch would clearly not be comfortable in a DL/RZ setting 

: Yes, Rav Hirsch opposed a movement back to Zion, but that does not
: mean that he would feel the same after the Shoah, and when the medina
: is a reality.

This is empty speculation, but then so is opining about tzadiq vera lo...

RZ violates Austritt. Zionism's success doesn't change that.

Although it is interesting to note how many otherwise-Hirschians were
the founding leadership of Poalei Agudah...
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Until the Holocaust RYBS was in the anti Medinah camp as well. This was the 
Shita of R' Chaim and his sons, R' Moshe and R' Velvel (and still is among the Israeli Briskers). But RYBS changed his mind after the holocaust.
 
You're right that there is no way of knowing whether RSRH's views about Austritt would have been moidifed by the Holocaust. Can't prove it one way or the other. But I don't think it is fair to assume he would not have been influenced by the Holocaust and therefore still opposed to it. 
 
I believe it is just as legitimate to say he would have been influenced by it as it is to say he wouldn't have been.
 
And as you note, many Hirscheans were among the founding leadership of Poalei Agudah - an organization that obviously supported the state of Israel.
 
HM

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