[Avodah] Rakia, Maaseh Bereishis, Halachah

[Hankman]

On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 02:03:54PM -0500, Lisa Liel wrote:
> Well, first there's a question of whether it's ad v'ad bichlal or ad  
> v'lo ad bichlal.  And then there's the nafka mina question.  Zeh neheneh 
> v'zeh lo chaser.  How are you affected by a satellite being in your 
> reshut even if it is?

Salvage rights?

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha


also 

> On 6/28/2011 3:53 PM,From: Micha Berger<micha at aishdas.org>
>
> ...Reshus hayachid olah ad laraqia (Shabbos 52b, Eiruvin 7a).
>
> So, whether or not that sattelite is on my reshus would depend on whether
> ad laraqia is the top of the clouds, or ad infinitum. (Unless the universe
> is finite, in which case...)
>
RZL reponded:
The Rambam also says that the Torah uses the words rakia (cloud region) 
and shamayim (celestial region) interchangeably, using each one for the 
other. So, another nafka meena: if your reshus would be directly under a 
star, would you own it?

RMB responded:
No star is stationary over one point on the earth.
<http://www.fourmilab.ch/yoursky>

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha


CM notes to all the above:

Given that certainly a star whose distance is many (maaaaany) light years away and even a satellite is certainly not in a chatzer hamishtameres nor the owner betzidoh.

Kol Tuv

Chaim Manaster


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