[Avodah] Baruch She'amar

[Micha Berger]

On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 04:16:50PM +0300, Dov Kaiser wrote:
: So I suppose you would have trouble responding to the Peri Chadash. In
: last week's alon Shabbat b'Shabbato, R. Yosef Tzvi Rimon discussed
: Baruch She'amar and noted that Peri Chadash (OH 51) asked (rhetorically)
: "It surprises me - since the Talmud has been closed and sealed, how were
: the Geonim able to institute new berachos?" So the Peri Chodosh seemed to
: accept that Baruch She'amar postdated the Talmud...

Beiurei Tefila, in this case
<http://www.beureihatefila.com/files/Origin_of_Baruch_Sh_Amar.pdf>,
is a great resource!

And the Birkei Yoseif (OC 51 s"q 1) answers that since it was mentioned
in the Zohar it obviously (to him) predates the ge'onim. He also notes
that the Tur quotes seifer Heichalos that BsH contains 87 words (gematria
"rosho kesem PAZ") -- and seifer Heikhalos is attributed to R' Yishmael.

The bit about the pasqa nafal meirqia' dates back to the siddur of R'
Yaaqov Emden.

But in any case, I still fail to see the relevence to our initial topic.
We're discussing the idea of using a heavenly source to pasqen. In order
to say that Barukh sheAmar is an example of this, you not only have
to say the words were found on a note from heaven but the note said "say
the following words daily".

We drifted off into the topic of which midrashim and other astounding
stories must be believed, but we never resolved the original question.

:-)BBii!
-Micha

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