[Avodah] Bittul of non-K and Chametz during Pesach

[Micha Berger]

On Wed, Jun 22, 2011 at 08:45:36PM -0400, I wrote:
: LAD, the parallel to RSZA saying that
:     only a mashehu of chameitz that is tastable to someone is not bateil
: would be
:     a taaroves of <1:60 but is tastable (e.g. a davar charif) is also not
:     batail.
: 
: This was my my initial objection to your chiddush, when I said that
: you had the sense of RSZA reversed.

I think I got another perspective on all this, which made it easier to
make my point more clearly...

RMR is writing as though the gemara in its naive sense is a given, and RSZA
made a chiddush. IOW, by default I would think that a mashehu that has no
taam still isn't bateil, and RSZA is adding that it is.

I am writing as though RSZA is explaining the gemara's point: I would
have thought 1:1000 or even smaller would be bateil, we therefore are
told that it IS not bateil [with an implied] if it has a ta'am.

You are speaking of a chiddush of a new bitul, and I am speaking of the
chiddush of a lack of bitul.

The flaw in your perspective is that the parallel to bitul beshishim
would require believing that RSZA could detach 1:60 from taam. You
said that's a big chiddush, I'm saying it's so big, it's impossible --
it violate zil qeri bei rav level certainty. Therefore, I stand by my
understanding, that the implication to 1:60 would only be as per the
analogy I quoted from myself at the top of the post.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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