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[Zev Sero]

On 22/06/2011 5:02 PM, Lisa Liel wrote:
> At 08:21 PM 6/21/2011, Zev Sero wrote:
>> On 21/06/2011 8:17 PM, Lisa Liel wrote:
>>>
>>> Halakha does not allow for a revelation other than Sinai. Nevi'im can tell us nuances, but a navi who tries to give us "revelation" of laws needs to die.
>>
>> Excuse me? Why do you think we say Baruch Shem? Because Moshe heard the mal'achim say it.
>
> That's Midrash. What's your source for that actually being the reason?

The Medrash, exactly as you said.  How is that not a source?  Suddenly
Medrash is not Torah?!  Also the Tur OC 619, and Hagahos Maimonios
Hilchos K"Sh ch 1 (both cited by Magen Avraham 619:8)



>> Why do we say Baruch She'amar? Because it was on a piece of paper that fell from heaven.
>
> A piece of paper that fell from heaven. I'm not even sure how to respond to that. I don't think we get our liturgy from pieces of paper that fall from heaven.

Except that that is *exactly* how we got Baruch She'amar.  I'm not sure
how to respond to someone who openly says they don't believe that.
See Taz OC 51:1


>> Why do we start saying at least the first word of the part of kaddish after "Yehei Shmeih Rabba"? Because Eliyahu told an amora to say it. How did Moshe know that the ketores can prevent a plague? Because the Malach Hamaves told him so.
>
> That's Midrash. What's your source for that actually being the reason?

The footnote in the new annotated edition of SA Harav 56:7 gives the
following sources:
Manhig, dinei tefillah ch 4, citing the Medrash
Bet Yosef, OC 56
Also see:
Or Zarua, vol 1 ch 102, citing Vayikra Rabba
Shibolei Haleket ch 15, citing agadah.


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