[Avodah] Ehrlachkeit, not Frumkeit

[Micha Berger]

On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:16:41AM -0400, Poppers, Michael wrote:
: Indeed, when it comes to axioms, I prefer RYBreuer's "Glatt
: Yoshor, not 'glatt kosher'!" (Pace R'Micha -- I'll note your
: http://www.aishdas.org/asp/2006/03/rav-breuer-glatt-kosher-glatt-yoshor_21.shtml
: page, but I'll also note that RYB saw no need for 'glatt' meat if the
: entities being supervised were "yashar.")

I'm not sure what you mean, since the text is from "Rav Breuer: His
Life and Legacy" (via RYL), translated from RYB's essay, and not mine.
So, it couldn't have given more importance to glatt kosher than RYB did.

The question, though, is how to get beyond the sloganeering and into
actual cultural change. An essay is nice, an educational policy along
with a plan for their parents and other role models is far far better.



On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:52:36PM +0300, Danny Schoemann wrote:
: I love these new-era Chessed organisations. "I have this Chessed
: organisation. I need your time and/or money to run it. Meanwhile I'll
: start another one while you run mine - even though you don't care /
: are not cut out for this type of Chessed. But now I've done a double
: Chessed; I got you involved in a Chessed."

One of RSWolbe's examples of frumkeit is something the Alter of Slabotka
warns against. "'Ve'ahavta lerei'akha kamokha' -- that you love your
peer the way you love yourself: You don't love yourself for the sake of
a mitzah, but rather a simple love, THE SAME WAY one must love the peer."
RSW says this is entirely alien to frumkeit.

This is what yeilds the single or not-yet-fully-observant Shabbos guest
who leaves feeling like a cheftzah shel mitzvah.

...
:> How can we communicate these ideas? This is especially
:> difficult to people who don't appreciate that a problem even exists.

: [Predictably] I would suggest concentrating on learning and spreading
: Halocho. Simple old fashioned "no frills, no Chumros" Halocho. Seforim
: like the Kitzur SA fit the bill; learn it and relearn it and start
: becoming an expert in "the basics".

Or Chayei Adam (OC) with Chokhmas Adam (halakhah lemaaseh for non-dayanim
from the other three). Which for some of us has the advantage of having a
baseline closer to my own ancestors'. For that matter, in my grandfather's
world CA was the sefer he actually learned that way.

(I also find the QSA's coverage of melakhos Shabbos to be too spotty to
be of much use.)

http://www.aishdas.org/luach has a QSA Yomi checkbox, if you want to
follow a one year seder in QSA. I also did a 164 entry series on
Aspaqlaria on the CM-esque se'ifim of QSA. See
<http://www.aishdas.org/asp/category/business-qsa>. Covers se'ifim
62-67, 165:12-14 (at the end of 185, where they are mentioned), and
179-190.

: Seforim like the Mishna Brura have the following "drawbacks":
...
: - Many of his non-OC Psakim are hard to find. Anybody know where the
: MB talks about the Halachot of haircuts and Payot? (Answer: 252:2 in
: the Biur Halocho *Afilu MiSapar Yisroel - Vol 3 page 30)

RDE does! <grin> Seriously, he did us the favor of making an index
(Yad Yisrael); it's worth picking one up. Also, R' Frankel's footnotes
to the QSA of Piseqi MB would tell you where to look.

None of the other problems (you forget there are other turim, the
difficulty of finging those dinim that are there that would otherwise
be in those turim, too many opinions, it's a commentary and not a clean
stand-alone work) don't apply to the AhS.

However, this next one:
: - There's way too much to learn and remember. Halachicly your memory
: is valid for a year, so you need something you can review yearly...

Really recommends something you can finish annually.

Tir'u baTov!
-Micha

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