[Avodah] Tznius

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From: "kennethgmiller at juno.com"  <kennethgmiller at juno.com>
Old TK:  > Personally I wish we could  all just be normal, wear skirts
> below the knee and not wear stockings at  all except when we
> want to look dressy.

RAM:  (I'm trying to  think of a respectful way to phrase this, without 
much success. Please don't be  offended.)

Am I to understand that if a posek defines "shok" as going to  the ankle, 
you would not consider his followers to be "normal"?

Akiva  Miller
 

>>>>>>
 
You mistakenly think I am dissing the other side, when in fact I am equally 
 dissing my own side.  I am saying that my own side -- the charedim, the RW 
 -- are forced to  wear hot sticky stockings which we are all now stuck  
with because it became das Yehudis aka the community norm.  Transparent  
skin-tight stockings -- is that normal?  Could any body part that /really/  has 
to be covered be covered with a transparent skin-tight covering?  It's  
obvious to me that those who require stockings, and then permit them to be  
transparent, at some deep level, don't /really/ believe that legs have to be  
covered.  (Those who require thick tights -- that at least makes some kind  of 
sense -- not that I'd ever want to actually dress like Satmar or Meah  
She'arim ladies.  If I have to wear stockings, I prefer to follow the psak  that 
doesn't really make sense, and wear transparent ones.)
 
Do I consider women -- in any camp -- to be "abnormal" if they follow   
their own poskim?  No, of course not! But the present-day psak (in both  camps) 
is not what normal used to be.  Wearing skirts to the floor and  wearing 
stockings 24/7 are both new norms, not the old norm.  (Unless you  want to go 
back to the 19th century for "the old norm," and consider the entire  20th 
century an aberration.  Well, I guess you could make that  case.....)
 
I wasn't saying, "I wish women would ignore their poskim."  I was  saying, 
"I wish poskim in all camps would change their psak."   No  harm in wishing, 
is there?  It's not as if I'm chas vesholom actually going  to go shopping 
without stockings any time soon.
 

--Toby Katz
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